[Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses

[Will Martin]

This is complex, poetic, and lacks punctuation. Given that, I have to see if it looks like it could be interpreted following the rules of grammar that have been presented to us, and I see a way to interpret it with the two {-meH} clauses preceding the main verb {vup}:

"May this river purify this very-ashamed heart. May qotar pity his spirit in order that molor may … "

Okay, there’s a verb {yay’} that doesn’t seem appropriate here, so I’m not suspecting a misspelling by omitting the glottal stop, and there’s a noun {yay}, which can’t take a verb suffix {-meH}, so SOMEBODY either made a mistake here, or there’s canon vocabulary I haven’t found yet.

Anyway, to continue the translation, I’ll restart that second sentence:

"May qotar pity his spirit in order that molor may [problem verb] that if one is disloyal; thus one is silly, and in order that molor may act honorably. He was weak, but this Klingon has died honorably.”

It’s ugly the way they’ve used {vaj} as if it were a conjunction, but if I put a period in front of it, like I usually can, the {‘e’} stops making sense, unless it refers to multiple sentences. In conversation, sometimes it does, like one person says a bunch of things and the other says, {‘e’ vIlaj}, meaning “I accept all that you have said.”

Still, this is not Klingon spoken in a conversational manner. It’s poetic. Grammatical rules (and apparently some vocabulary) get looser in poems. This is why I don’t write Klingon poetry. tlhonDu’ ghaj ghIchwIj. tlhonmey Hutlh.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:17 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
> 
> This section?
> 
> tIqDu'vam tuHqu'
>    Say'moHchu'jaj
>    bIQtIqvam
> matlhHa'lu'chugh vaj Doghlu'
>    'e' yaymeH molor
>    'ej batlh vangchoHmeH molor
> qa'Daj vupjaj qotar
>    puj ghaH
>    'ach batlh Heghpu' tlhInganvam
> 
> 
> qurgh
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:09 PM, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com <mailto:esperantist at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks, kechpaja. You're right, of course! I should have checked my examples again.
> 
> Now if I only had my copy of the paq'batlh and could have a look at the purpose clause(s) on page 173. My notes say that there is one where it's sentence-final. Maybe a misanalysis, though.
> 
> - André
> 
> 2015-11-09 19:48 GMT+01:00 <kechpaja at comcast.net <mailto:kechpaja at comcast.net>>:
> > On Nov 9, 2015, at 12:27, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com <mailto:esperantist at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > A real-life ad hoc example for b) is:
> > [tlhIngan Hol luHaDmeH HaDwI'pu'lI'], ['ampaS 'elnIS ghojmoHwI'].
> > = "The teach must enter the academy, so that his students may study Klingon.
> 
> Since we're trying to help out a beginner, I feel like I should point out that there is a (minor) error in that example: "his students" or "her students" would be <HaDwI'pu'Daj>, rather than <HaDwI'pu'lI'>, which means "your students".
> 
>  - kechpaja -
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