[Tlhingan-hol] Defiant

[qunnoQ HoD]

>  You might also consider translating the name Defiant directly as
*tlhIvwI'* "the one who is insubordinate" or *lotlhwI' *"the one who
rebels".

yes indeed ; I had thought of finding the tlhIngan equivalent of
<<Defiant>>,still i wondered later on,whether a Klingon officer would
translate it in tlhingan,or he would just say the federation standard
english name in Klingon. Anyway, both {tlhIvwI'},as well as {lotlhwI'}
sound pretty cool too,
and they would certainly be fitting names for a starship as the Defiant.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Doug Henning <likethemagician at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sticking to only Klingon syllable structure, you would probably
> transliterate the name as *DIvay'enIt*, to avoid a consonant cluster
> without a vowel. Elision of the vowel *'It*, turning C*I*C into CC, seems
> to be a common alternate pronunciation of Klingon names, as in *wo'rIv* >
> "Worf".
>
> You might also consider translating the name Defiant directly as
> *tlhIvwI'* "the one who is insubordinate" or *lotlhwI' *"the one who
> rebels".
>
>
> *batlh bIHeghjaj*
>
> Doug Henning
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 11:38 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > There is no “f” in Klingon
>
> I hadn't thought of that ! thanks !
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:22 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I’m not a linguist. So, I’m faking it as an amateur in the following
> message. Just because I’m not official, it doesn’t mean I haven’t been
> listening to actual linguists here and learned a few things that I’d like
> to pass on.
>
> While there is no canon way to say “Defiant” in Klingon, and your
> transliteration is reasonably good, I’d suggest {DI’vay’ent} or
> {DIvay’ent}. There is no “f” in Klingon, and the {v} is often substituted
> in transliterations, and I definitely use a subtle glottal stop between the
> “i” and “a” when I say “Defiant”. The “i” and “a” don’t blend together as
> they do in “via”.
>
> I suspect it’s due to the way we shift from high (i, e) to low vowels (a,
> o, u) vowels naturally, as in “tick tock” but never “tock tick”, “nicknack”
> and never “nacknick”. In “via” the “i” is pronounced as a long “e”, like
> “veeeyah” (high to low vowel glide), but in “Defiant”, the “i” is
> pronounced “ah”, which is lower than the schwa of the “a”, so we break it,
> either with a glottal stop, or an inserted “y” sound, and we’ve already
> used the {ay} to represent the long “i” (“eye”) sound…
>
> So, I guess it might also be transliterated as {DIvayyent}, if you are
> really bothered by the glottal stop.
>
> There is no singular right way to transliterate. But using “f” is not
> really okay, since Klingons don’t have that phoneme in their language.
>
> So, my vote is for {DIvay’ent}, though several others are acceptable.
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:41 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> since the defiant is shown in episodes where klingon/klingons appear too,i
> have been wondering how are we to say <<defiant>> in thlIngan.
>
> I don't know if it has a canon name,so at first I searched if there is a
> klingon verb meaning <<to defy>>,but i found none. so next I thought of how
> would one translate/describe the meaning of <<defiant>> in klingon.
>
> but I didn't get far with that thought,because this thought occured to me..
>
> whenever lets say an english ship arrives at a greek port,no greek
> authority would go about translating her name in greek ; it would either
> write her name in english,or write in greek her english name (the way it is
> pronounced).
>
> so I think that maybe the most logical thing to do,was for a klingon to
> simply say {DIfayant}
>
> is there a canon way,to say defiant ?
>
> qunnoQ HoD
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