[Tlhingan-hol] Piraha

Will Martin lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com
Mon Nov 2 06:49:39 PST 2015


Thank you.

I am delighted that this issue has finally been addressed by canon examples. I have not seen the text to paq’batlh, so I was ignorant of this.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Nov 2, 2015, at 9:18 AM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com <mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > I’d love for this to be acceptable, but apparently Okrand has never offered us a canon example that has two adverbials and has never given us advice on their use. It’s not so much that we can’t do it as it is that we don’t know that we can. We do know that when we would have expected two adjectives applied to a noun, Okrand changed one of them to a relative clause, likely to avoid the issue, and we’ve seen him use multiple relative clauses in the example you cite below.
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> When I asked about the topic of multiple adverbials a few years ago, I was given a few examples from the paq'batlh:
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> Felix Malmenbeck wrote on 4/23/13:
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> 1)  From paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 8, Stanza 11:
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> jatlh ‘e’ mevDI’ qeylIS, lop
> chaq tugh batlh Heghmo’
> ‘ej chaq tugh charghmo’
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> After Kahless's words, they celebrate,
> For they may soon die with honor!
> For they may soon be victorious!
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> Another example is from paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 17, Stanza 11:
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> reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH
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> Let endless battle and honor await them!
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> ...and another, in paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 3:
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> Hay’chu’ luneHqu’
> vaj pe’vIl joqqu’
> cha’ tlhIngan tIqDu’
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> Both Klingon hearts beat,
> At their strongest,
> In lust for blood.
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> ...and I believe there are plenty more examples.
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