[Tlhingan-hol] ghawran DIS chu' nabmey

[mayql qunenoS]

ok, so to summarize all of these and make things clear :

klingon doesn't have a passive voice, however one can use {-lu'}
keeping in mind that it means
<someone/something does something to..>. However when someone will be
reading the {-lu'}
sentence, he will be right if he translates it in his mind as passive voice.
So, although klingon doesn't have a passive voice, I can right in
passive voice !?!?!!?!?
Also, klingon doesn't have a passive voice, however these canon
examples utilize a passive voice
translation.
Finally although klingon doesn't have passive voice okrand uses it in
his translations.

cpt qunnoQ

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> mayql qunenoS wrote:
>> > you wrote that I should have said :
>> >
>> >> Use {toQDuj So'lu'pu'bogh} "bird of prey which has been cloaked."
>> >
>> > however this confuses me, since I remember we had said that klingon
>> > doesn't have a passive voice..
>
> SuStel:
>> I translated it into English passive voice, but it's not passive voice in
>> the Klingon. It literally means "bird of prey which someone or something
>> unspecified or unknown or general has cloaked."
>>
>> {-lu'} refers to an indefinite, unknown, and/or general subject. I don't
>> know and/or don't care who cloaked the bird of prey; I only care that it
>> is cloaked.
>
> A good example is {to'baj 'uS[Du'] lughoDlu'bogh} "stuffed *tobbaj* legs" (the traditional meal during QI'lop, the holiday honoring the Klingon military):
>
>   to'baj 'uS lughoDlu'bogh tIlaj
>   Accept these stuffed *tobbaj* legs! PK
>
>   Ho'Du'lIjDaq to'baj 'uSHom lughoDlu'bogh tu'lu'
>   You have some stuffed *tobbaj* leg in your teeth. PK
>
> Here the plural suffix {-Du'} is omitted as plurality is indicated by the verb prefix {lu-} - although it works backwards when used with the suffix {-lu'}:
>
> TKD 38f.:  Thus, {vI-}, which normally means "I do something to him/her", when in a verb with {-lu'} means "someone/something does something to me". Similarly, the prefix {lu-}, which normally means "they do something to him/her", becomes "someone/something does something to them".
>
> Other examples:
>
>   Heghpu'bogh tlhIngan mInDu' lupoSmoHlu'
>   The eyes of the fallen Klingon are opened S31
>
>   cha'pujqutmey chIm lutamlu'
>   Drained dilithium crystals are replaced. MKE
>
>   'entepray' Hub patmey luchu'be'lu'pu'
>   Enterprise defense systems are down. (ST5 notes)
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
>
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