[Tlhingan-hol] this / that as subject

[Brad Wilson]

Sulugh. Of course, one can't put a noun suffix on a pronoun acting as a verb. nom jIghItlh 'ach QIt jIQub.


However, when acting as a noun, a pronoun can clearly take noun suffixes {SoHvaD, 'oHmo', etc} so using {'oHvetlh} doesn't automatically sound wrong to me. I was simply asking if there was precedent - which, based on the response, I take to be "no".


Which then raises the question, is Type 5 the "only" noun suffix allowed on pronouns? Using {SoHHom} would either elicit a confused look or a punch in the face. And Type 4 possessives hardly seem useful - {SoHwI' ?!?}.


gheyIl


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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn at flyingstart.ca>
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lugh Philip, 'ej batlh QIj.

Personally, where English says "This is a chair" "That is my father" I just say 
<quS 'oH> <vavwI' ghaH>, and point. Is there a functional difference?

- Qov

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From: Philip Newton [mailto:philip.newton at gmail.com] 
Sent: September 24, 2014 0:36
To: Brad Wilson
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On 24 September 2014 04:17, Brad Wilson <bmacliam at aol.com> wrote:
> I was thinking that there is no way to use "this" and "that" as nouns 
> except as suffixes like {Dochvam / Dochvetlh}.

{Dochvam / Dochvetlh} are what I usually see for “this” and “that”, 
respectively.

> Then I thought that a sentence like "This is my ship" might be 
> rendered as {DujwIj 'oHvam}.

I think not. In {DujwIj 'oH}, the {'oH} is acting as a verb, in my opinion, so 
it can only take verbal suffixes—you could say {DujwIj 'oHbej}, for example, or 
{DujwIj 'oHbe'}.

I would recommend {DujwIj 'oH Dujvam'e'}.

And even if {'oH} were acting as a noun, {'oHvam} would mean *“this it” (as 
opposed to “another it”?), which would make little sense to me.

Cheers,
Philip
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