[Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq

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Wow again.

If I ask, "How many doors do you choose?" it's simple. {lojmIt 'ar DawIv?} You answer "I choose three doors." {wej lojmIt vIwIv.}

If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}

There doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question that is answered by {lojmIt wej vIwIv}. "I choose door #3."

Or "I live at house number 512 on Maltz street."

We have to resort to {lojmIt yIngu'!} for that kind of question, apparently.

On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Qov:
>> I'd do an archive search but ... website search sucks.
>> Have we ever discussed the extension of 'ar beyond subject and object?
>> We have the examples:
>> 
>>  nIn 'ar wIghaj?
>>  Haw'pu' yaS 'ar?
> 
> Here are the examples I know of:
> 
> 'ar  how many?  how much?
> 
>  Haw'pu' yaS 'ar
>  How many officers fled? TKD
> 
>  nIn 'ar wIghaj 
>  How much fuel do we have (left)? TKD/CK  
> 
>  Huch 'ar DaneH? 
>  How much money do you want? TKD
> 
>  Dochvetlh DIlmeH Huch 'ar DaneH 
>  How much do you want for that? TKD
> 
>  mughoS 'avwI' 'ar 
>  How many guards are coming? CK 
> 
> 
> 'arlogh  how many times? (st.k) 
> 
>  'arlogh Qoylu'pu' 
>  How many times has (someone) heard (it)? 
>  How many times has it been heard? 
>   (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
> 
>  'arlogh wab Qoylu'pu'? 
>  How many times has someone heard the sound? 
>  How many times has the sound been heard? 
>   (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
> 
>  qen 'arlogh Qoylu'pu'? 
>  Recently, how many times has someone heard it?
>   (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
> 
> [Any examples of either in the paq'batlh? I haven't seen any.]
> 
> 
>> I imagine that at some point I have said something like one of the
>> following in conversation, completely unaware that I was doing anything odd.
>> 
>> ?quS 'arDaq nav vIlannIS? - How many chairs do I need to place paper on?
>> ?HoH 'armo' bortaS wISuq?- How many killings will we get vengeance for?
>> ?nuv 'arvaD Soj wIje'nIS? - How many people do we need to buy food for?
> 
> Based on no canon whatsoever, I would place the suffix on the noun:
> 
>  ?quSDaq 'ar nav vIlannIS? 
>  ?HoHmo' 'ar bortaS wISuq?
> 
> [Don't forget the verb {noD} "retaliate, seek revenge":  ?HoHmo' 'ar manoD?]
> 
>  ?nuvvaD 'ar Soj wIje'nIS? 
> 
> I don't have time to do more searching, but have we seen any of the other question words used with these suffixes?  
> 
> 
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> 
> 
> 
> 
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