[Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH

[Gaerfindel]

On 6/2/2014 2:48 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> Objects with -moH
>
> [E]xpert or beginner---on the level of informationincluded. Is there 
> more beginners should know?Should I be more terse and simply say that 
> canon is ambiguous on the object of this type ofverb?
> ---
> Things can get more complicated when --moH is used on a verb that 
> could already take an object. This is an area where we don't have all 
> the answers. For example, the word <ghojmoH>is formed 
> from<ghoj>"learn"plus --moH, and means"cause to learn", normally 
> translated as"teach, instruct."It even has its own listing in TKD as 
> such. But what is the object of ghojmoH?
>
> Is it the student? That would seem to make sense.
> ghoj puq. -- The child learns.
> ?puq ghojmoH SoS. -- The mother causes the child to learn./The mother 
> teaches the child.
> We have evidence that this is the correct form, as in Power Klingonwe 
> hear the form<qaghojmoH>I instruct you.
>
> Confusingly, we also have text written by Marc Okrand on a licenced 
> trading card, which suggests that the object doesn't necessarily 
> change when --moH is added to a verb. The object of ghojmoH may be the 
> same as the object of ghoj: the thing learned.
>
> pab ghoj puq. -- The child learns grammar.
> ?pab ghojmoH SoS. -- The mother teaches grammar.
>
> Maybe it can be either. We have other tools for indicating the second 
> object of the verb, but they, and a full discussion of this question, 
> are beyond the scope of this course. The purpose of this digression is 
> to explain why this course doesn't include instructions on using such 
> objects, and to give you some insight into how we know things about 
> the Klingon language.
>
> Reference:
>
> TKD 4.2.4 p.38 Type 4: Cause
>
> Skybox card S20 - ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH.
>
> Power Klingon - batlh qaghojmoH
> Okrand_MSN_<http://mughom.wikia.com/wiki/MSN?action=edit&redlink=1>, 
> 6/97 -- Prefix trick
>
> Also perused:
> _http://www.klingon.org/smboard/index.php?topic=556.25;wap2_
> _http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/85069_
> _http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/93042_
>
> - Qov
>
>
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