[Tlhingan-hol] qep'a' Proverbs

[Steven Boozer]

De'vID:
>>> Interesting that this has {tu'lu'be'} instead of {tu'be'lu'}. Both 
>>> forms are found in canon, though a strict reading of the grammar 
>>> favours {tu'be'lu'} (since {-be'} immediately follows what it 
>>> negates).

lojmIt:
>> I disagree with your conclusion. I see {tu'be'lu'} to mean "one does
>> not find" while {tu'lu'be'} means "no one finds". Semantically, one
>> would be hard pressed to tell the difference, but they are both valid
>> grammatical expressions without needing to make anything special out
>> of {tu'lu'}.

Lieven:
> lojmIt is right that both {tu'lu'be'} and {tu'be'lu'} are legal
> constructions with slightly different meanings.

With our new proverb, there are now two examples of each pattern in canon AFAIK:

tu'lu'be': 

  SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be' 
  There are no old warriors. TKW
 
  'Iw HIq yap tu'lu'be' 
  Sufficient bloodwine does not exist (qep'a' 2014 Proverb)

tu'be'lu': 

  QuvlIjDaq yIH tu'be'lu'jaj 
  May your coordinates be free of tribbles! PK

  vaSvamDaq tuq veng je quvvaD Heghqangbogh SuvwI' tu'be'lu''a' 
  Is there nobody in this hall prepared to die for the honor of
   your tribe and city? PB

Any more examples from the paq'batlh?


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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons