[Tlhingan-hol] qep'a' Proverbs

[Robyn Stewart]

I couldn't find a single canon instance of lutu'lu', which led me to
conclude that while it is technically correct, it's not normal, and its
usage is a hypercorrection.

I was talking to Marc about a t-shirt Ethan (Sepram puqloD) was wearing,
giving the dates of Pluto's existence as a planet. I started to read it in
Klingon and realised that while I could give the dates of an institution by
saying tera' DIS 1930 cherlu', "It was founded in 1930"  I couldn't say
tera' DIS 1930 tu'lu' "It was discovered in 1930" because the usage tu'lu'
for "there is" blocks it. I'd have to say tera' DIS 1930 tu' <pong>. (But I
didn't know who discovered Pluto). Marc agreed, or I had better say "seemed
to agree" because you know Marc.

- Qov

-----Original Message-----
From: Lieven [mailto:levinius at gmx.de] 
Sent: July 27, 2014 8:47
To: tlhingan-hol at stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qep'a' Proverbs

I agree somehow with both of you:

lojmIt is right that both {tu'lu'be'} and {tu'be'lu'} are leagl
constructions with slightly different meanings.

On the other hand, the "expression" {tu'lu'} is frequently also used with
the wrong prefix, because grammatically spoken, it needs the lu-prefix when
dealing with plural things, but it's omitted very often:
KGT:
cha'maH cha' joQDu' tu'lu'.

TKD:
puqpu' tu'lu'.

TKD:
naDev tlhInganpu' tu'lu'.

This makes it seem that klingons indeed regard {tu'lu'} as a standlaone
expression, even though it really is just a standard sentence.

I think to remember that this has been explained somewhere by Okrand... 
HolQeD maybe?

--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://wiki.qepHom.de

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