[Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness

[Felix Malmenbeck]

> Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missing something?

Well, a lot of this vocabulary is new, but has apparently been revealed at the latest qepHom.

However, if I've understood this correctly, Marc Okrand actually had to retcon a lot of this dialogue, because in the final cut the scenes ended up in the wrong order and with some of them removed altogether.
So, for example, I wouldn't be too surprised if the {Dojmey} were originally {Dochmey} that she claimed to be working to retrieve.


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From: Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 21:05
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Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness

Perhaps it's my ignorance, but most of this is gibberish to me. For instance, {ghach jIvvo' naH}: /Fruit from is ignorant -ation./

The only complete sentences I can make out are these.
{DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.} /Now he is hiding (himself) in these ruins./
{qatlh DISaH?} /Why do we care about them?/ (or "why should we...")
{potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.} /Because honor is important, obviously we remember it./ (or him/her/them... the context makes it unclear to me)

There are plenty of words and apparent words I can't find in any reference, like jIvuylaH: I can {?vuy}. Also {?ve'} {?yI'} {wID} {peq} {chIw} {?chI} {chuD} {lIb} {bam}, and the closest I can come to making sense of {vInDa'ma'} is /our cousin-corporal/.
There are also verbs with noun suffixes, {jIvvo'}, {Dojmey} and {vum'e'}, and suffixes unattached to root words, {ghach} and {Hey}.

Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missing something?
~'eD

On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:59 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com<mailto:de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com>> wrote:

jIvuylaH. jIve'.
jIyI'.
ghach jIvvo' naH. DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.
'ej Dojmey wID - vInDa'ma' peq.

toH, Hey Humanpu'. qatlh DISaH?

potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.
'ej chIvo' neH chIw vum'e'.
Qob lIb bam SoH chuDlI' je.

Yes, it's {Hey} not {Hegh}.
There is no {bo-} on {bam}. Possibly MO wrote {lIbam} by mistake and invented {lIb} to cover it.

I will follow with explanation and definitions when i can.

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