[Tlhingan-hol] Qumran

[Lieven]

jaj 06.06.2013 16:52, ghItlh QeS:

> The problem is that the explicit gloss of "scroll" for {tetlh} in KGT
> says that it is quite capable of referring to the physical entity of the
> scrolled piece of writing material, not just the information contained
> upon it. "Roll" has a more abstract use - honour roll, roll call, etc. -
> but "scroll" really can't be used so abstractly.

I got Maltz to tell more about that, and he was so kind to explain:

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Maltz was so pleased with the scroll / long letter that you sent, he 
volunteered the word Qumran and I didn't think to ask him how a Qumran 
differed from a tetlh.

But I've asked him now.

While tetlh can refer to a scroll, it can also refer to anything rolled 
up scroll-like (like toilet paper).  The meaning of tetlh, over time, 
got extended to refer not only to the scroll/roll, but the contents of 
what may be written on a scroll and from there to refer to the sort of 
thing that may be traditionally written on a scroll, such as a "list" of 
things.  So, even if not written on a scroll, a shopping list could be a 
tetlh.  So could a ship's manifest.

A Qumran, on the other hand, is only a scroll.  And it has connotations 
of something important or sacred or ancient, though a Qumran need not be 
all three of those things.  When a scroll is a part of a ceremony of 
some kind, it's typically referred to as a Qumran, not a tetlh, even 
though it is a tetlh, so if you called it that, you wouldn't be wrong, 
but it might sound inappropriate.

I guess Maltz thought the scroll you sent was pretty significant.

In short -- any Qumran is a tetlh, but every tetlh is not a Qumran.

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(Marc Okrand to Lieven on 2013/06/08)

-- 
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
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