[Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble

Tim Stoffel tim at lionlamb.us
Fri Jan 4 19:55:39 PST 2013


Very interesting!!

Tim Stoffel

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On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 17:18 -0800, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> I can, but I don't have a platform in which I can write a clever 
> script, so this counts each character for itself not as part of its 
> Klingon letter. Here's what I get, with my comments.
> 
> 72543       - That's the space character, what you'd expect for a 75k 
> word novel.
> 44671   a  - Our existing distribution gets that right. I wonder if 
> this is biased by character names. The main character is named vajar. 
> I'll do a version stripped of character and ship names once I have a 
> better system.
> 40793   '    - I told you there weren't enough qaghwI'mey in the 
> game. It beats out all but one vowel!
> 28488   h   - This combines the letter's presence in tlh and gh, but 
> excludes H.
> 23699   o
> 22652   e
> 21140   I
> 20469   H - I expected this to be more common in text than in the 
> dictionary, because it's in -taH and -Ha' and -laH and -moH and -meH ...
> 20213   u  - last of the vowels
> 19024   l   - biased because this includes l and tlh
> 17380   t   - biased by t + tlh
> 17291   j - interesting. One of the ship names has a j and so does 
> the main character's name. That might be a factor. But the main 
> character also has a v and and r, so I don't think so.
> 14365   .  - Heh. Short sentences, eh?
> 13634   g - A combination of gh + ng
> 13627   m
> 13557   D
> 13455   n - includes n and ng
> 11737   S
> 11226   v
> 9892    q
> 9647    c
> 9530    b
> 9145    p
> 7685    y
> 7653    r
> 6611    w
> 5793    Q
> 
> So it looks like yay ray way and Qay should be the high-scoring 
> letters.  Whoda thunk there were over three times as many Haymey as Qaymey.
> 
> As an indication of the cleanliness of the data, here's the rest.
> 
> 5067    ,
> 1702    M - two alien characters, one of whom is a main character, 
> have names starting in M. The names of alien ships and persons is 
> also the explanation for most of the non-Klingon alphabetic characters below.
> 1122    ?
> 691     !
> 374     s
> 172     T
> 171     -
> 141     i
> 132     O
> 126     A
> 126     @ - The pIqaD 'ay' titles are typed in xifan hol, which 
> renders the numbers as cartoon swear words.
> 120     x
> 94      U
> 81      E
> 76      F
> 70      R
> 69      &
> 63      L
> 62      :
> 59      G
> 57      #
> 57      $
> 57      %
> 55      ^
> 54      N
> 51      )
> 51      (
> 47      *
> 43      J
> 41      P
> 40      C
> 39      K
> 39      B
> 35      k
> 30      Y
> 29      W
> 27      V
> 24      X
> 18      d
> 16      f
> 
> At 22:52 '?????' 1/2/2013, you wrote:
> >Robyn,
> >     Could you analyze your own writings? I bet that would give a good
> >letter frequency representation.
> >
> >Tim Stoffel
> >
> >--
> >
> >On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 14:09 -0800, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> > > That's an interesting question. Is the letter frequency distribution
> > > of a large piece of text different than the frequency distribution in
> > > a complete wordlist of that language?  I think a list compiled just
> > > from TKD affix and vocabulary lists might competitively
> > > under-represent qaghwI', as it's in so many affixes.
> > >
> > > I found a shortage of qaghwI'mey during game play, but the
> > > artificiality of the arbitrarily high scores for tlh and ng didn't
> > > bother me much. It was just a luck thing.
> > >
> > > - Qov
> > >
> > > At 13:21 '?????' 1/1/2013, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
> > > > At the risk of showcasing my ignorance with regards to Scrabble:
> > > >
> > > > Does one actually need a corpus to decide character values for
> > > > Scrabble? I imagine that a lexicon along with the rules for
> > > > appending affixes would suffice, as the deciding factor is what
> > > > words can be formed, rather than what words are most commonly used
> > > > (or do rare/difficult words weigh more heavily in that
> > > > calculation?).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________________________________________________________________
> > > > From: David Holt [kenjutsuka at live.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 22:14
> > > > To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> > > > Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Alan Anderson
> > > > <aranders at insightbb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I got it from DloraH, who got it from janSIy, who I believe
> > > > originated it.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't originate it, but I may have been the first one to bring a
> > > > converted set to the qep'a'.  I got the frequencies and values off
> > > > this very list and I no longer remember who did the calculations or
> > > > came up with the values.  It was probably 15 years ago.  The game is
> > > > fun, but the scores are somewhat artificial since the point values
> > > > were based on rarity of English letters and so it's weird to have
> > > > common letters like <tlh> be worth so many points.  I think any new
> > > > calculations should be based on Qov's <nuq bop bom>, since that is a
> > > > large piece of original tlhIngan Hol writing.
> > > >
> > > > janSIy
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