[Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: naj

[Bellerophon, modeler]

So when used to present a direct quote, {jatlh} and {ja'} are there for
stage-setting. As with English /said/, they can come after the quote,
though it helps avoid confusion to say {ja'} or {jatlh} before a longer
quote.

If the wiki is correct, then {lut vIja'pu'} wouldn't mean "I told the
story" but rather "I told him/her/them the story", as opposed to {lut
qaja'pu'} or {lut Saja'pu'}. And {Dotlh yIja'} would mean "Report status to
him!" (apparently someone else needs that report) as opposed to {Dotlh
HIja'} "Report status (to me)!" I guess clipped would be simply {Dotlh ja'}.

I'm confused about indirect quotes. Acc. to TKD, neither {'e'} nor {net} is
used with {jatlh} or {ja'}. You don't say {*qama'pu' neH 'e' jatlh la'},
but if you say {qama'pu' neH jatlh la'} what does it mean? "The commander
says (that) he wants prisoners" or "The commander says, 'He wants
prisoners.' " A direct quote would be {jatlh la' qama'pu' vIneH} (the
commander says, "I want prisoners"), but speaking in someone else's voice
in such a situation seems awkward and presumptuous, at least for English
speakers.

~'eD


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:37 AM, David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name>
 wrote:

> On 8/30/2013 11:48 PM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:
>
> Back to verb prefixes, I take it {jatlh} is the only verb that uses
>> intransitive prefixes when a direct object is specified (in the case
>> of {jatlh}, the direct quote).
>>
>
> A direct quotation is never an object. {jatlh} CAN take an object, as in
> {SoQ vIjatlh} "I speak the lecture; I give a lecture." The prefix of
> {jatlh} is the same as for any other verb.
>
> According to mughom.wikia.com <http://mughom.wikia.com> (who started
>> that anyway? I see some contributions by Qurgh, but a lot more by
>> Anonymous), the object of {ja'} is the addressee rather than the
>> direct quote, so one uses it thus: yaS vIja' <direct quote>, rather
>> than yaS jIja' <direct quote>.
>>
>
> The possible objects of {ja'} have never been clarified to my
> satisfaction. No examples of {ja'} show an explicit object, but several use
> prefixes that indicate an object (e.g., {qaja'pu'} "I told you"). But I
> think it would be perfectly reasonable to use sentences like {lut vIja'pu'}
> "I told the story" or {Dotlh yIja'} "Report status!" Does canon reflect a
> form of the prefix trick? Is the object of {ja'} broad enough to reflect
> either a direct or indirect object? Or is that wiki correct and the object
> is always the party being told something, and that something can only ever
> be a direct quotation?
>
>
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