[Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal

[Noah Bogart]

>Okrand has some kind of trans-temporal communication with Maltz, with whom
he consults in matters of language and culture. Okrand then reports his
findings to us.

>There's another alternative you apparently haven't considered: that nobody
declares themselves a word-sovereign, and that everyone study the language
provided instead of inventing it themselves. This is what the KLI has done
for decades.

So the constructed language we're studying isn't a living language, but in
fact a dead language that we're learning about piecemeal from a
third-party. A lot of your arguments make more sense now. I disagree with
that being desirable in the least, but I'm glad I know where you're coming
from.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:24 AM, David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name> wrote:

> On 4/11/2013 5:45 AM, PICHLMANN Christoph wrote:
>
>> Am 08.04.2013 22:55, schrieb David Trimboli:
>>
>>> There is no International Committee on the Klingon Language, and I
>>> for one would not recognize any such committee's authority to tell
>>> me what is and is not Klingon.
>>>
>> What would be necessary for you to recognize/accept an authority to
>> tell you what is and is not klingon?
>>
>
> Okrand is the authority. His invented language has an invented context:
> Maltz the Klingon was captured by Kirk and crew, became a prisoner of the
> Federation, and dedicated himself to providing the Federation greater
> understanding of Klingons, including their language. Okrand has some kind
> of trans-temporal communication with Maltz, with whom he consults in
> matters of language and culture. Okrand then reports his findings to us.
>
> For anyone else to have this authority, Okrand must transfer this fiction.
> He must announce that someone else has gained contact with Maltz or another
> Klingon, and that new party must continue the fiction that they are getting
> their information from their Klingon informant.
>
>
>  Would you accept/want a central authority at all, for that matter? If
>> not - what else? The only alternative to a central authority I see
>> would be anyone making up words and grammar as they like.
>>
>
> There's another alternative you apparently haven't considered: that nobody
> declares themselves a word-sovereign, and that everyone study the language
> provided instead of inventing it themselves. This is what the KLI has done
> for decades.
>
>
>  In fact, it would be fascinating to watch the two diverge as
>>> speakers of Living Klingon accepted new words and grammar to handle
>>> things that Classical Klingon couldn't.
>>>
>> I wouldn't call that fascinating. Horrible, rather. I think that's
>> what happens with HTML right now - WHATWG is apparently determined to
>> ruin what the W3C intended. If the same would happen to klingon, I'd
>> probably stop trying to learn it.
>>
>
> Spoken language is not software; I reject this comparison. Do you think
> the world would be better off if everyone spoke the SAME language?
>
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