[Tlhingan-hol] Time and Type 7 verb suffixes

[David Trimboli]

On 6/17/2012 6:39 PM, ghunchu'wI' 'utlh wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:31 PM, David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name> wrote:
>> When I heard about the editing session, I complained about editing by
>> committee. You read that yourself.
>
> I did read that, but I read it in response to a mention of doing the
> Facebook translation. I don't remember you saying anything like it
> about the paq'batlh sessions.

You're right; I was mixing up paq'batlh and the Facebook project.

> Your more recent gripe was much more narrow: those who try to advance
> the paq'batlh as embodying correct usage are the ones who helped
> correct it. In the specific case of Type 7 verb suffixes, I can't
> remember any corrections being suggested, much less applied.
>
>> If I had been there I wouldn't have been
>> any happier about it. Not because I think editing by committee can't work,
>> but because I knew that anything the committee churned out was going to be
>> hailed as authentic Klingon. Authentic Klingon by a committee of
>> non-Klingons. I'd be happier with the original, error-ridden text with a
>> note that it is known to have errors. Or an acceptance of the work as by
>> Klingons but edited by Terrans studying Klingon and hence a step away from
>> "definitely how Klingons speak or write." If I had been there I *still*
>> would have preferred this.
>
> Don't get the idea that we rewrote the thing.  It wasn't really like a
> "translation by committee" project. Would you be happier thinking of
> it as a *proofreading* session?
>
> We had a large portion of a practically finished work presented to us,
> and we were asked to look it over. We asked Marc about absolutely
> everything that we thought might have been an error, or was
> potentially confusing, or didn't quite match something that appeared
> elsewhere in the text with the same or similar meaning. We wrote on
> the pages and indicated in the margins where he agreed that something
> needed attention. Any corrections or revisions to the final document
> were made by Marc himself (or perhaps by someone else based on
> specific instructions from him) well after the session was over.
> Additionally, we definitely didn't see everything that ended up in the
> published book.
>
> Actually, I seem to recall that one phrase did get significantly
> reworked by the "committee". I can't remember the details, but I know
> an entire sentence was written down in pen as a replacement for one
> that was there. It was likely something that was unusually hard to
> understand as written and made more sense with a shift of focus from
> action to object, or vice versa. I'm reasonably certain that it didn't
> involve aspect suffixes.
>
> -- ghunchu'wI'
>
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