[Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' cha'vatlh cha'maH cha': 'omwI'pu'

[Robyn Stewart]

Qu'maj veb wISovmeH jIloStaHvIS QInlIj vIlaDlI'. 

On 2012-07-13, at 13:46, "ghunchu'wI' 'utlh" <qunchuy at alcaco.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Qov <robyn at flyingstart.ca> wrote:
>> jatlh ya 'ay' Sogh, "bIHeghpa' Hegh je neghma' Qup."
> 
> M*A*S*H-mo' veS chut wa' vIghoj: Hegh negh Qup.

tlhIngan tIghvaD Hegh QupwI'pu' net pIH 'ach reH pay vajar.

>> lojmItDaq Sumbogh mang
>> Qorgh vajar 'e' bej'a' yaS? jatlh Sogh, "qaSov, vajar HoD. qImyalvaD
>> qapojmeH QonoSmeylIj vIHaDta'. bIpujchugh, tlhoy' mang Qup DaSaHmo' bIpuj.
> 
> tlhoy' mang SaH'a'? ghobe'. lojmIt mang SaH.

choHaghmoH. 

> **
> <tlhoy> DaghItlhHa'ba'.

HIja'. 

>> maSuvtaHvIS, ngIq negh SaHbe'chu' qImyal Sa' 'e' yIqaw.
> 
> yabwIj bIv <ngIq negh>. ghantoH vIvoqlaHbogh vIleghpu'pa', 

DaH vIpar je. <ngIq mang> vItam. 

>> nuHmeyDaj chaH neH."
> 
> munuQ <neH> lo'vam.
> 
> Whenever I write something like this, I usually end up changing it to
> put {neH} after the object instead of after the pronoun. On the other
> hand, when I write it that way in the first place, I often end up
> changing it to be the way you wrote it. Do you want to trivialize the
> idea of "be her weapons", or do you want to say they are her weapons
> and nothing more? I have the feeling there is an important distinction
> to be made between the two. My inclination today is not to trivialize
> the "to be", and I think {neH} should be moved.
> 
> Does that make sense?

yaj. It's the way it is because I don't want it read as "They want her weapons.". To my understanding, neH after a boy trivializes the noun and after a verb, the whole phrase. 

>> vajar Delchu'bogh ngoDvetlh'e' tu'be'pu' vajar 'ej QonoSmeyDajDaq tu'pu'
>> Sogh. yaSpu' val ra' qImyal Sa' 'e' qawnIS je vajar. jatlh, "ghIj qet
>> jaghmeyjaj, Sogh." jangbe' yaS.
> 
> law'choH vIttlheghmey 'e' vItu'.

mISchoH ghu' no' Sov wuvchoH SuvwI'. 

>> chobmeyDaq moD ghom. Do'law' chaH. tachDaq chaHbe'taH 'e' Sovba' Hung 'ach
>> naDev DachtaH 'omwI'pu'. motlh Dat chaw'mey 'olbogh 'avwI'pu' ghom vay'.
> 
> (tam. tlhoy tam.)
> 
>> 'avwI' nejDI' narghta'bogh qama' reH 'avwI' Sambej. pay' chob lubot loS
>> 'avwI'pu'.
> 
> **
> qechvaD muj <bot>. Qapbe' "block, prevent, prohibit". <waQ> 

maj. vItI', De'wI'wIj vInawlaHDI'. 

>> HeD 'e' qelchoHDI' vajar chaH 'emDaq ghogh Qoylu'. jatlh,
>> "pemev!" luDechlu'. loQ pIm cha' 'avwI'pu' HIpmey.
>> 
>> jatlh ghutar, "Hu'tegh! qImyal QaS le' ghaH.[261] matlhchu'. QongtaHvIS Sa'
>> lu'av." 'ej DaH QeHlaw' chaH.
>> [261] Still can't quite believe I'm supposed to use ghaH for two guys just
>> because troops is grammatically singular. Grumble.
> 
> {QaS} is singular, but might it be singular in the way {qorDu'} is?
> Would it work to say {QaS 'oH} instead of {QaS ghaH}? Try it in
> English: "Yikes! It's the Swiss Guard!"

Daj. vIDaj. 'arghmoHbe'. 

>> "ghaH!" jatlh wa' 'avwI' le'. moch ghaHlaw'. vajar SIqmeH wanchoH DeSDaj
>> naQ. nISwI' beHmey qeQlI' latlhpu'. 'avwI' bejqu'taHvIS vajar, Hung HotlhwI'
>> Sum tu'. vajar Hegh qonchu'. betleHDaj pep vajar. vaQ tonSawvetlh 'ej nISwI'
>> tIH 'ommeH loQ yoD DalaH je betleH. loQ vajar waQ latlhpu'. wej
>> vangbejpu'mo' 'avwI'pu', bachbe'taH je qIQwI'pu'. chaq Sonmo'
>> 'avwI'pu'vam'e' HIvqangbe' *veS* beq.
> 
> chay' <Son> DaHech? vIyajbe'. vay' Sonlu'chugh, Qu' gheS SonwI' 'ej
> vumbe'choH nuv Sonbogh, qar'a'?
> 
> I can't reconcile my understanding of {Son} with the situation as
> presented. HIchuH.

Sun vIghItlhHa'pu'. Sunmo'. DopDaq qul yIchenmoH QobDI' ghu'. 

>> jatlh vajar, "qImyalvaD tuqopqa' 'e' bongIl'a'? not jIHeS. De' le' vIpegh
>> 'e' maq petaQvetlh
> 
> tlhaQ. QutchoHDI' vajar loQ jIyay'. ghIq ghu''a' vIqelqu'. qImyal woQ
> Qaw'meH noH taghta'! jagh Delchu' mu'vetlh HoS.

'ej puQchu' vajar.

>> 'ach not De'vetlh vIghaj. reH wo'vaD Hoch De'
>> vIjonta'bogh vIlI'. wa'logh qama' SuD vI'avpu'mo' maghwI' jIH 'e' Harlaw'.
>> tlhIngan wo' HoD matlh jIH, 'ach tojtaH 'ej neptaH 'ej beq ghongtaH 'ej
>> HeSmey vItoghlaHbe'bogh ta'taH be'vetlh maw'. naDev quvwIj vIHubrup 'ej
>> juHoHmeH nISwI' tIHmey bobachchugh tlhIH quvHa' law' ghaH quvHa' rap!"
> 
> vaQbej SoQvam.

Heghrup. Hegh pIH. Heghpa' Qupbogh mang veb Hegh neH. 

>> lubejlI' 'ej luQoylI' Hung HotlhwI'mey jIHbogh Hung yaSpu' law''e' 'e' tul
>> vajar, DuvtaHvIS.

HeghtaHvIS negh pIlmoH 'e' Hech. Hung jIHmey bejtaHbogh 'avwI'pu''e' lotlhmoH neH. HeghDaj glory[aaah mu'vetlh chu' vIqawlaHbe'] luleghDI' Dawbej. 

> jIlaDnIStaHqu'!

> 

jIpuvnISqa'. jIpuvnIStaHqu'chugh tugh 'ay' veb DaloSnISchoH. 

- Qov