[Tlhingan-hol] More new words from Maltz

[qurgh lungqIj]

I think we need to ask Marc what he was thinking when he said "fillable". :)

Number 1 in your suggestion is very fillable IMO, as you can fill it by
pouring cement into it, while you can't pour cement into a qung (as it
would simply pour out the other side). qung, on the other hand, can be
patched by covering it with another material (some of which goes into the
hole), but patching a QemjIq would simply give it a roof.

I see it as a qung being a hole in something that you can look through and
see things on the other side, while a QemjIq doesn't have another side. If
I use a spade, I can dig a QemjIq in the ground, but I can also punch a
qung in a wall with it (if I could somehow dig all the way through the
planet and out the other side, I'd have a qung). QemjIq = hole, depression,
empty pond, drained lake, opening of a volcano, etc; qung = hole, puncture,
gap, tear in the knee of my pants, bullet hole, etc.

As for a bottle's mouth, I don't see that as qung or QemjIq, as the bottle
is made that shape. If I drilled a hole into the bottle, that would be a
qung (just as I have to drill holes into a flute to make it make music, but
the holes at either end are not qung).

qurgh

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm at kth.se> wrote:

> Very true. However, I suspect the comment about QemjIqmey being fillable
> and qungmey not was a bit of a misdtatement; after all, one can fill most
> small qungmey with a bit of lam Dogh.
>
> I suspect the distinction is about one of two things:
>
> 1) Topology: Depressions(holes with "dead ends")  are QemjIqmey, true
> holes are qungmey.
> 2) The depth of the material: Much like the way 'ab refers to "longish,
> skinnyish things", perhaps qungmey refer to punctures in "membranish,
> sheetlike things"; things with depths that are small compared to width and
> length.
>
> 2) strikes me as being the more natural distinction to make, alrhough I
> personally prefer 1).
> Neither 1) nor 2) satisfies Okrand's non-fillability criterion, however.
>
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