[Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh cha'maH Hut: <no' chavmey>

[Qov]

I was actually aware of most of the canon. I suppose I had never 
really internalized that while {jatlh} gets used both ways, ja' only 
has the listener as object.

I have some habits that date from when it was just me, and  blue copy 
of TKD with an embossed cover, and unanswered please to usenet in 
search of anyone else who believed this little book was more than a 
joke. I should purge the old, incorrect habits, but in a way I'm 
proud of them, like a regional accent.

I am pleased any time an error or a discussion coming from the story 
leads to canon and opinions. I miss the days when the list teemed 
with beginners, so all the basics and stumbling blocks were being 
explained over and over again and we could never forget them.

But I don't miss having no word for "hold" or "table" or "picture."

- Qov

At 08:56 24/01/2012, you wrote:
>On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Lieven Litaer <lieven.litaer at web.de> wrote:
>
> > Am 24.01.2012 15:40, schrieb David Trimboli:
> >> On 1/24/2012 9:37 AM, Lieven Litaer wrote:
> >>>> nuja' tlhIngan wIch ja'wI'pu'
> >>>> According to Klingon legend... S8
> >
> > ghItlh SuStel:
> >> That's not a verbal phrase; it's a noun-noun construction.
> >
> > Yes, that's correct, {wIch} + {ja'wI'}
> > But doesn't this {ja'wI'} tell the {wIch} ?
>
>In this example, the {ja'wI} tells {maH}. The first word tells us so.
>
> > {qagh Sop qagh SopwI'}  ..
> > {wIch ja' wIch ja'wI'}  ??
>
>{tuj muv tuj muvwI'} ??
>
>[N V-wI'] isn't the sentence [N V] with a {-wI'} tacked on. I used 
>to think so, but I've found too little supporting evidence and been 
>shown too much contrary evidence.
>
> > Or is the thing being told the indirect object?
> >
> >  {lut qaja'}
> >  "I tell you a story"
>
>That sort of prefix abuse generally has the prefix pointing to the 
>"indirect object". Your hypothetical example still has {lut} as the 
>object, something we don't seem to have canon support for.
>
>-- ghunchu'wI'
>
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