[Tlhingan-hol] chatlh wIb

[Robyn Stewart]

I started work at 4:00 am yesterday so my body thinks 4 is the time to be awake now ... but maybe brain not so awake. 

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On 2012-04-29, at 4:12, "De'vID jonpIn" <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:

> {Bankei} ghInDaq Dab vutwI' gheStaHbogh {Dairyo}.  

> ghojmoHwI'Daj qan
> Qorgh vutwI' 'e' wuq vutwI'.

Bankei ghaHlaw' ghojmoHwI'Daj'e'. 

>  vaj {Bankei}vaD nIvqu'bogh chatlh wIb neH jab.

chatlh wIb parHa'qu' B. 'e' vItul. latlh Soj neHchoHbej.

> chatlhDaj QaQ law' ghojwI'pu'Daj chatlh QaQ puS 'e' tlhojmo'
> {Bankei}, ghel, jatlh: <DaHjaj vut 'Iv?>

chatlh QIv vutpu' ghojwI'Daj 'e' Harbe'mo' ghel'a'?

DaHjaj vutnISchoHmo' vutwI' nIv, ghel'a?

chatlh QIv vutwI'na' ngumeH ghel, pagh   QIvmo' chatlh DaHjaj vutwI' wIvnISlu'mo' ghel'a'?

vutlaHmeH D. ghojmoHta''a' B. pagh ghaHvaD lalDan neH ghojmoH'a'?

> ghaHvaD {Dairyo} rItlu'.  

Daj, rItlaHbe'law' B.

> qanmo' {Bankei} 'ej quvmo', chatlh nIvqu' 
> neH Sop 'e' qotlh 'e' ghojDI' {Bankei},

'eDjen ghaH'a'? chay' ghoj?

> vutwI'vaD jatlh: <vaj
> jISopbe'qu' 'e' Daqap.>  ghIq pa'Daj 'el 'ej lojmIt ngaQmoH.

BvaD chatlh QIv jabpu'mo' vutwI' SopQo' B.

> lojmIt HurDaq ba'taH {Dairyo} 'ej qeHHa' ghojmoHwI'Daj 'e' qoy'.

It took me a little while to attach a concept to qeHHa'. Must be the 4:00 am thing. I was thinking qeHbe'choH woyld be better, but that qeH wasn't quite right for B's action. But then I managed to turn qeH inside out in my mind. majQa'! Best translation of forgive I've ever seen. Did you come up with that?

> jangQo'taH {Bankei}.  qaStaHvIS Soch pemmey Soch rammey je HurDaq
> ba'taH {Dairyo} 'ej qoDDaq ba'taH {Bankei}.

mulwI'pu'

> tagha', tlhoS Qay'mo' vIlle',

'Iv ghaH vIlle'vam'e'? toy'wI ghaH'a'?

> {Bankei}vaD jach vIlle', jatlh: <chaq
> bIpIvtaH, ghojmoHwI' qan, 'ach SopnIS ghojwI'vam Qup.  not Sop 'e'
> SIQlaHtaHbe'.>

chatlh QIv SoplaH. 

> ngugh lojmIt poSmoH {Bankei}.  mon.  {Dairyo}vaD jatlh:

ghaytan pa'DajDaq Soj pol. 

> <ghojwI'wI' 
> ramqu' Soj rapbogh Soj'e'

rap is "be the same" not "be the same as". I think you mean Soj rap wISop jIH, ghojwI'wI' ramqu' je 'e' vIqap. 

> vISop 'e' vIqap. ghojmoHwI' DamojDI', 'e'
> yIlIjQo'.>

QIvchugh chatlh, chatlh nIv jab 'e' nID D. chay' 'e' Sov B.?

> English translation - Paul Reps
> 
> Sour Miso
> 
> The cook monk Dairyo, at Bankei's monastery, decided that he would
> take good care of his old teacher's health and give him only fresh
> miso [a paste of soy beans mixed with wheat and yeast that often
> ferments].

Maybe I'm glad you didn't go there, but the concept of fresher or not fermented helps to explain what was better about the soup. 

As you'll see below, when I read the Klingon I thought it was about B berating himself for inadequately teaching his students to make soup, Making it clear that this was a matter of ingredient selection not cooking skill would have helped me here. 

> , noticing that he was being served better miso than
> his pupils, asked: "Who is the cook today?"

Ahhh. I read chatlhDaj QaQ law' ghojwI'Daj chatlh QaQ puS as the possession indicating the cook not the consumer. The English takes pains to avoid that interpretation.  Perhaps DuqDaj chatlh QaQ law' ... or chatlh Sopbogh QaQ law' ...

If you serve me something and I say "my cake is better than yours," I'm insulting your cake (or talking up mine) not commenting on your generosity in giving me the best piece. 

I wonder (and apologize for) what wrong paths I send my readers down by failing to block a possible misinterpretation.