[Tlhingan-hol] 2 letter language code for Klingon?

[ghunchu'wI' 'utlh]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:21 PM, David Trimboli <david at trimboli.name> wrote:
> From: ghunchu'wI' 'utlh [mailto:qunchuy at alcaco.net]
>>
>> If someone wants to point out that students of typography call the "tlh"
>> letter a trigraph because it is composed by abutting three otherwise separate
>> symbols, fine. But Mr. Everson's comment was more than a little patronizing.
>
> If *that* was the point of your response to him, maybe it should have been sent off-list.

It initially WAS sent off-list. Only after my message was rejected by
evertype.com did I direct it here. It occurs to me that my messages
through the list might similarly be getting rejected, so I probably
should have just kept quiet and avoided setting off this particular
explosion of conflicting opinions.

> Suppose someone is writing something that they want to say is actually from a Klingon visiting Earth. Are these phrases known to him? Or are they just best guesses as to what he knows?

Since you repeated the phrase "words Klingons would use", I know you
have read it. Much of what you say would make sense to me if you
thought it said "words Klingons might use", but it says "would". Don't
you think that means a Klingon visiting Earth WOULD use those words?

> Since this whole language is about pretending that Klingons exist and understanding how and why they say things, you *must* address these questions.

That is a viewpoint I do not share. For me, the language is about the
exercise of using an invented vocabulary and grammar to do everything
a natural language can do, and about sharing that exercise with other
people. I won't deny that the occasional bit of reference to a
fictional culture can be fun, but I can't base my enjoyment of the
language on trying to get into an alien mindset.

> The day Okrand abandons the fiction of having Klingon sources is the day I quit.

bIbupchugh jatlhwI' po'qu' wIghajHa' 'e' vIpaybej.

> To reiterate: we need to know who *wrote* the pIqaDqoq in EuroTalk, whether Okrand vetted it, and exactly what the fictional context of the program is.

Does the answer from qe'San satisfy you, or are you still worried that
the CD-ROM might not be presenting itself with what you believe are
the appropriate fantasy trappings?

-- ghunchu'wI'